Plan Clarifications March 2011

[mckdelbu]

This topic covers confusing areas of the EHBP-09 plans set.
Keep in mind, this plan set was created before the CHBD was develioped and it was adapted for use with the CHBD.
There area a few gotcha areas that can be confusing. These questions have been submitted via the ticket system and will be addressed here.

Question #1

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I am new member, bought the membership to build the EHBP-09 Bar.
I am building Section B, trying to follow the Cut list from CHBD program…and things are not correct. For example the cut list says I need 4 of part #3, the Base Front. In the plans, all I can see is the need for 2 of part #3 ?
Plus many of the “details” are missing. Are there updated plans available ? Who can help out ?
Thanks in advance.

Answer #1
b]This has now been corrected in the CHBD.[/b][/i]

Question #2

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Material list for this plan has some dimensions that don’t make sense.
For example with section A, items #61, 70 & 86 are 80+ inches long but this bar section(standard length) is only 42″ long? How is that possible? error?
The same issue applies to section C, some pieces are longer than the “standard” dimensions of the section.

Answer #2
That is because those parts overlap the adjacent section.
Please refer to the assembly document (pages 18, 19 etc.)and you’ll see the relationship of those parts.

Question #3

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I’ve found what I think are more issues with the plan.
On Section C of the PDF plans, page 11, the uprights are referenced as 11 for the three, then 9 for the inner leg. On the CUT plans..for section C, it notes Part # 30 4 upright supports at 39″ THEN on page 12, there is yet another note mentioning that the two front uprights are 30″ and 40.5″
Can you please clarify what combination is actually correct?
Thanks in advance.

Answer #3
The plans document drawings have been updated on 3/2/2011. On pages 10 and 11, the parts labeled 11 have been corrected to 20 and 30.
The two confusing parts (former 9 and the third 11) have been renumbered to 46 and 47. The CHDB has been updated to reflect these changes.

[Anonymous]

Thank you very much….

I think there is one more minor minor issue.

In the Section 3 of the PDF on page 11 shows only 1 #33 – however the cut plans show two #33, both front and rear base. I am 99% sure the PDF is simply missing a second #33 front base in the drawing…unless for some strange reason section C only requires the front base.

[mckdelbu]

The drawing on pages 7 and 8 show the front and rear step supports as parts #1 and #2

Gotta keep in mind, the EHBP-09 was designed BEFORE the CHBD existed, so I had to modify the plans numbering to make it work.

One sharp eyed member noticed a few issues between the assembly doc and the CHDB listings which were corrected today.
Be sure you download the latest version of the plan set. The CHBD is up to date as of today.

[stephani1]

i’m a little confused with the PDF and cut list. for example board #12 on the cut list is 38 1/8 but clearly in the PDF it’s 31 1/8.
if you consider the 31 1/8 size, how does board #62 (front trim)fit on a 31 1/8 edge if the cut list tells you to cut it at 22 3/4? Am I reading this wrong?

board #66 was too short as well. also it looks flush with the top of the long boards #11 which are 39 inchs. if it should be flush then 8.25 width on the board would be too tall. 39 minus 4.25 depth of the bottom is 34.75, minus the 22.5 supports, leaves 12.25, minus another 4.25 leaves 8 inches. does that sound right?

I love these plans. they are going to look great, no question about it but there does seem to be a few numbers that are off. I suggest you build the base and then pull out the tape measure before you start cutting and wasting wood.

[smcmanus]

daveym61 wrote:

i’m a little confused with the PDF and cut list. for example board #12 on the cut list is 38 1/8 but clearly in the PDF it’s 31 1/8.
if you consider the 31 1/8 size, how does board #62 (front trim)fit on a 31 1/8 edge if the cut list tells you to cut it at 22 3/4? Am I reading this wrong?

board #66 was too short as well. also it looks flush with the top of the long boards #11 which are 39 inchs. if it should be flush then 8.25 width on the board would be too tall. 39 minus 4.25 depth of the bottom is 34.75, minus the 22.5 supports, leaves 12.25, minus another 4.25 leaves 8 inches. does that sound right?

I love these plans. they are going to look great, no question about it but there does seem to be a few numbers that are off. I suggest you build the base and then pull out the tape measure before you start cutting and wasting wood.

I have the same question???? The plan also does not show in drawing the use of #12 & #52.

[mckdelbu]

Part #12 is shown on page 9 of the plan.
They are the two (top and bottom) horizontal wedge supports.
I just verified the measure measurement in CAD. The two boards are 31 1/8″ at their longest point with both ends mitered at 45 degrees as clearly illustrated.
(I did find the error in the CHBD and have corrected part #12’s length from 38.125″ to 31.125″)

Part #52 is floor panel B2 and is shown on page 14 of the plans.
This part should be manually measured and custom fit as shown on page 14. It is not resizable.

I think Lloyd also mentioned the lack of instructions for the foot rest top.
It’s the last thing you do and should be measured by hand.

I think most folks can handle that.

Remember, the plans are a guide…not law.

Thanks for the feedback!

[smcmanus]

Okay, I will try to explain this better… page 8 of the section parts list shows #12 to be 38 1/8 inches long. on Page nine it says the two wedge supports as shown are listed as #12 on the cut list and then shows on the diagram 31 1/8 for wedge support legs. On page eight it shows # 11 length 39 inches as long legs and resembles the two wedge supports shown on page nine? I do not see wedge support anything for 38 1/8 inches or as # 12. Where am I suppose to see this mysterious # 12?

[smcmanus]

sam3062 wrote:

Part #12 is shown on page 9 of the plan.
They are the two (top and bottom) horizontal wedge supports.
I just verified the measure measurement in CAD. The two boards are 31 1/8″ at their longest point with both ends mitered at 45 degrees as clearly illustrated.
(I did find the error in the CHBD and have corrected part #12’s length from 38.125″ to 31.125″)

Part #52 is floor panel B2 and is shown on page 14 of the plans.
This part should be manually measured and custom fit as shown on page 14. It is not resizable.

I think Lloyd also mentioned the lack of instructions for the foot rest top.
It’s the last thing you do and should be measured by hand.

I think most folks can handle that.

Remember, the plans are a guide…not law.

Thanks for the feedback!

Sorry, I should have read this first, thank you for the explanation. It all makes sense now. Lloyd

[mckdelbu]

Here is a revised image…

[attachment=49]Wedge Frame.jpg[/attachment]

Hopefully this will help clarify the issue.
The “optional 2×4 support” for the angled section to support the back of the foot rest can be easily added by just cutting another part 12, then lay it over the front of the lower 12.
Next mark it with a pencil ( if you’re good, you only have to do one side), cut it and drop it down so the back edges of each of the A & C sides follow around the corner.
Those back edges are indicated in the drawing.

Thanks again for the feedback…and now you see why posting to the forum is of benefit to all other members.
Cheers!
Sam

[bartender_adm]

Three other items were corrected to today

Items 66, 62 and 43

all angled boards. I’m surprised nobody caught these up until today. The CHBD has been updated. Thanks Herb for the good eye.

Steve was probably tired and used the wrong measurement mode (ortho) when making a parallel dimension. Back then the poor guy did it all.

I am in the process of going from front to back and re-proof reading and verifying all measurements. Once verified, those docs will receive an ISBN number and be published on Amazon S3.

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